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Episode 260 (Transcript): Big Ideas | Letting Go

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At Last She Said It
Apr 20, 2026
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CW: Who the heckity heck would ever use success in a religious context except prosperity gospel type American Christians? I don’t know.

SH: Right.

CW: I just think that more and more lately I’ve been asking myself how a religion of a God who is crucified, like a God who loses, how we morphed into a gospel of success and winning?

SH: Right. That’s the question I was asking early. What happened between the gospel of apatheia and where we are today? I’m not totally sure when or how that happened. It was probably a series of a thousand small adaptations and changes

CW: Over a thousand years.

SH: Over a thousand years. Exactly.

CW: Hello, I’m Cynthia Winward.

SH: And I’m Susan Hinkley.

CW: And this is At Last She Said It. We are women of faith discussing complicated things, and the title of today’s episode is Big Ideas: Letting Go.

SH: The biggest of all my big ideas!

CW: That’s why I’m laughing!

SH: Right before you hit start on this recording, you said to me, “We’re talking about all the things that we’re interested in. Is anyone else going to be interested in any of this?” And I said, “I don’t care.”

CW: No.

SH: So this is another Big Ideas episode, and here’s the thing I want to say about it. These episodes are, I mean, we have 10 pages of notes, so I’m going to try to talk really fast. These episodes are full to the brim with quotes from big thinkers.

And the vision that I had for this really was that we can do some of the legwork for people on this. Like if we take a deep dive on letting go, then our listeners can get the flavor of that big idea. And if they’re interested, we’ve given them a good starting place to maybe go into our show notes and follow some of those links and do a deep dive of their own. But even if they’re not that interested, they’ve gotten a lot of wise words from really smart people on a big topic. And so I feel like we’re doing a public service, Cynthia. That’s what we’re doing.

CW: It’s so funny because for listeners who don’t know—Susan, every Monday, loads everything into the syndicator for the podcast. She gets all the show notes ready. She does the writeup and she will often text me and say, “We are doing a public service right here!” Because it’s true, dear listeners. We put every quote on our website. We hyperlink everything. Susan, I should say Susan, not me. Susan does all of that and it takes her hours and hours.

So yes, this is quite, I think, a public service that not only do they get to hear all the quotes from the big thinkers, but then they can go back and either read the full transcript, or if they just want all the quotes, go there.

SH: Right.

CW: Yay us.

SH: Yay us. So we’re going to hear what smart people have said about letting go today. That’s a better title, and more honest title, of the episode.

CW: More honest.

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