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At Last She Said It

Episode 241 (Transcript): Demystifying Mysticism | A Conversation with Kathryn Knight Sonntag

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At Last She Said It
Oct 20, 2025
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KS: Mystical experiences don’t translate perfectly towards a rational thought, but we are obligated to try anyway. The alternative is to have a familial and civic life that isn’t informed by our mysticism at all. And I think we have seen that is a very bad idea because anything that lives purely on a surface material level, will not survive. It will not be eternally present.

SH: Hello, I’m Susan Hinkley.

CW: And I’m Cynthia Winward.

SH: And this is At Last She Said It. We are women of faith discussing complicated things and the title of today’s episode is Demystifying Mysticism: A Conversation with Kathryn Knight Sonntag. Hello, Kathryn.

KS: Hello. So happy to be here with you both.

CW: Yay.

SH: We’re so happy. Yeah it’s great. I do have to tell you right up front, I was thinking this morning the first episode that we recorded with you, I think was the most nervous I’ve ever been to record a podcast. So...

CW: Really?

KS: Oh, no!

SH: I really was. I don’t know. I just, that’s so funny. I look up to you in very real ways.So thank you for coming back.

KS: I’m thrilled to be back and I hope you feel less nervous this time.

SH: I do feel less nervous, but then I also feel really privileged to get to call you a friend at this point.,

KS: Likewise, Susan. Likewise.

SH: Thank you. Our listeners might recognize your name and remember that we have had you on some previous episodes.

The first was episode 30, The Mother Tree, and then we also had you on episode 113 and 119 talking about revisiting The Mother Tree. Then on 119, which I think was a bonus where we asked you to say more about something that you had said, because Patriarchy As Sin. Hello, one of my favorite titles ever for a podcast episode!

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