Episode 225 (Transcript): Navigating the Fallow Years | A Conversation With Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi

Episode Transcript

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KB: I started to ask myself, rather than being the planter, maybe I am the soil and I'm this dark, moist, fertile soil, but I haven't spent enough time getting my hands dirty in my ownness, right? Like, the very foundational core elements of me, rather than trying to constantly plant and yield and produce. What if I've had everything that God intended for me to have within myself this whole time, but because I've been so obsessed with trying to grow something that I thought needed to grow out of the soil, that I haven't let what really needs to come out, come out?

SH: Hello, I'm Susan Hinckley. 

CW: And I'm Cynthia Winward.

SH: And this is At Last She Said It. We are women of faith discussing complicated things, and the title of today's episode is “Navigating the Fallow Years, A Conversation with Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi.” Welcome Kajsa. 

KB: Thanks, you guys. I am so happy to be here and I was looking over some of this transcript and I didn't realize I've done this a couple times, so this is a really happy place.

SH: You've done this six times!

KB: Yeah! 

SH: I couldn't believe it when I looked it up. I mean, for any of our listeners who are interested, Kajsa was on episode 36, episode 54, episode 84, 89, 125, and 162. And I will link to all of those in our show notes so that people can go back and listen and kinda catch up on more of your story. We are always absolutely delighted to have a conversation with you about anything. 

CW: Obviously.

SH: Yeah, we're particularly interested to have a conversation today. We're talking this season about women navigating transitions and change. And you said something to us, I think at a book signing event, you said something to us about being in fallow years and both of our ears perked up immediately. We knew that was a conversation that we wanted to have. So I'm gonna kinda turn it over to Cynthia to start us off with some questions for you and let's get to it. 

CW: Perfect. Kajsa, do you wanna catch up our listeners on who you are? Anything that you want them to know? Or you could just say, go back and listen to my old episode–however you want to talk about where you've been 'cause we haven't had you on for like 70–am I doing my math right here–

KB: That's what I was gonna ask, so when was–

CW: 60 or so episodes.

KB: What was the date of the last conversation we had? 

CW: Don't ask me the date. I have no idea, but it was, episode 162. Okay. So it's been a couple of years. 

SH: A couple of seasons anyway. 

KB: That's seems about right. Which is funny since we're talking about fallow years, because that's kind of around the time that I allowed myself to go into kind of that fallow space. 

 

CW: Love it. Love it.