Episode 191 (Transcript) What About Grief: A Conversation with Pam Heggie

Episode Transcript

Many thanks to our guest, Pam Heggie, for her work in transcribing this episode!

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SH: Hi, I'm Susan Hinckley. 

CW: And I am Cynthia Winward. 

SH: And this is At Last She Said It. We are women of faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is, What About Grief? A Conversation with Pam Heggie. Hi Pam. 

Pam: Hi. 

Cynthia: Hi Pam. Welcome. 

SH: Pam, you're one of those women who came onto our radar through Substack Chat, you know, Cynthia and I look at the Substack Chat and sometimes we say things like, okay, who is this Pam lady who says such amazing things? Why haven't we had her on yet? And so you're that Pam lady and we're delighted that you've agreed to have this conversation with us today. But we didn't know when we asked you to come on the podcast – we thought we would just do a regular Embracing Your Journey conversation with you, but when we started to see some of your answers to those questions, we realized that there was a larger conversation that we really wanted to have and that I feel like we're overdue having on the podcast. And so that's a conversation about grief.

So today that's what we're going to talk about. And why don't you go ahead and take a few minutes, introduce yourself to our listeners, anything that would give context to this conversation and anything you'd like them to know about you going in. 

PH: Sure. Okay. So yeah, I'm 41 and I've worked as a stenographer for 20 years.

Which means I provide closed captions for the hard of hearing for a few different ways, like television, students attending university, and then some corporate and government work. My husband and I also own and manage some rental properties and a commercial space, which has me running a wedding venue, artisan markets, and I teach fitness classes. So hi, I'm Pam and I'm a workaholic. 

CW: Pam on high octane. 

PH: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm slowly trying to get to the recovery stage, but you'll hear a lot more why I have so many jobs later as well. So I'm also a mom. I had six boys first. And then I ended with one girl and they were all C-sections.

I've been married to my husband, Derick, for 20 years, who I met at 16. And I'm very thankful. We have a very, a partnership marriage, like in all the ways with him. And that's just such a huge blessing for me. Yeah. I have a deep, intense love for efficiency. I was born and raised and I also currently reside in the same small town Southern Alberta, Canada, which is colonially named Cardston, and was settled on the ancestral lands of the Kainai Blood First Nation by Mormons.

And. So that's the home. That's the town. And I have an intense love for renovating, home design, thrifting. I love historical spaces. I'm a wanderer and I love the sun, naps, cheese, and chocolate. 

SH: I kind of just want to hang out with you now. 

CW: I'm really disappointed that Pam is Canadian. I want her to be my neighbor. That’s amazing, keep going.

PH: I'm going to get down there one day. Well that's me!  But a quick Mormonism snapshot for me which I feel like it is maybe my favorite part hearing this about people like which Mormon are you? I don't know. Right.